tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-414822612354149150.post2401190808554623357..comments2023-10-25T08:51:03.223-07:00Comments on From The Ground Up.: CREONTE!!Keith Owenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11248060065893085498noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-414822612354149150.post-82011251314856021742014-06-03T00:53:41.243-07:002014-06-03T00:53:41.243-07:00well said, 'creonte'.well said, 'creonte'.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05118690810029915608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-414822612354149150.post-16097911585262865452014-05-12T17:08:14.405-07:002014-05-12T17:08:14.405-07:00From the wikipedia entry on Musha Shugyo:
"M...From the wikipedia entry on Musha Shugyo:<br /><br />"Musha shugyō (武者修行?) is a samurai warrior's quest or pilgrimage. The concept is similar to Knight Errantry in feudal Europe. A warrior, called a shugyōsha, would wander the land practicing and honing his skills without the protection of his family or school. Possible activities include training with other schools, dueling, performing bodyguard or mercenary work, and searching for a daimyo to serve.<br /><br />Musha shugyō, or "training in warriorship", was inspired by Zen monks, who would engage in similar ascetic wanderings (which they called angya, "travelling on foot") before attaining enlightenment. Kamiizumi Ise-no-Kami Nobutsuna, who founded the Shinkage-ryū school of swordsmanship in the mid-sixteenth century, was a shugyōsha."<br /><br />Slavish devotion to masters sounds cult-like. If your students leave, they might just need to explore. What is the purpose of loyalty? To continue the style's lineage? Unless this person in question is the heir of the style, an instructor should give his blessing to a parting student and wish them well.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18288166363193074546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-414822612354149150.post-51650858077505061672014-02-22T19:54:59.976-08:002014-02-22T19:54:59.976-08:00^^^That was a good response.^^^That was a good response.Keith Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11248060065893085498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-414822612354149150.post-76388629755090287162014-02-21T04:05:29.422-08:002014-02-21T04:05:29.422-08:00Greanted, I pay money to my BJJ instructor, but, h...Greanted, I pay money to my BJJ instructor, but, how much time and energy has he invested into his education? He SHOULD be compensated. So in that respect it is a commercial transaction. But, does he stop at teaching class and then never interacting with the students again? No, he goes WAY beyond that. He invests his time and energy into each one of his students, giving all of them his undivided attention at various times. Taking time out of his personal life to stay late and answer questions, or to travel over night with one or two guys who want to compete on a much bigger stage. He doesnt have to invest him self into the students. His only legal obligation is to provide a space to work and an hours worth of instruction at a time. But, because he goes way above and beyond that, it makes sense that it hurts when a student leaves. The money transaction is a nessecary evil. He has to keep the lights on and make a living for himself. The team relationship part of it is what should make people be loyal. We dont just have a team, we have a family. And when someone leaves your family, it hurts. I recently had a team mate leave for another school / team, and I will be honest, it hurt. I was preoccupied with it for days, trying to figure out what had happened. Thats me as a team mate. I can only picture that same scenario from an instructors point of view. Anyway, dont mean to rant. Thank you for this article. It was a good read!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634682042736246971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-414822612354149150.post-71017043502515351332013-10-11T02:18:29.691-07:002013-10-11T02:18:29.691-07:00Interesting. I would have never thought to conside...Interesting. I would have never thought to consider my relationship with my instructor as "commercial". I suppose BJJ means something different to everyone. Great article. Personally, I think the largest single factor is the knowledge of the instructor. Training elsewhere secretly is disloyal, disrespectful, and dishonest. Three tenets of the Bushido code. There seems to be an ever emerging separation between the old school and the new.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13512115951474021690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-414822612354149150.post-11178174817449659542013-02-20T09:39:18.172-08:002013-02-20T09:39:18.172-08:00I think we forget that the BJJ teacher to student ...I think we forget that the BJJ teacher to student relationship is a commercial relationship. I am a purple belt and have trained full time in two schools over my 5 years of training. I have also taken many classes at various gyms. I feel that any business that offers an exceptional product at a reasonable price then it will foster loyalty naturally. I think schools that are insecure with the product they provide are usually the ones that trumpet the "Creonte" call. I pay a lot of money to train BJJ and I shouldn't feel that my Professor has a right to dictate where I train.Alex J Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10010554984407403694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-414822612354149150.post-15160148851432396682013-01-14T12:43:05.433-08:002013-01-14T12:43:05.433-08:00Thank you Devin!Thank you Devin!Keith Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11248060065893085498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-414822612354149150.post-76995770393411580762013-01-14T10:21:09.457-08:002013-01-14T10:21:09.457-08:00Very interesting I know people who have trained w...Very interesting I know people who have trained with Pedro all the way back to 1996. Lots of them would go to Rickson's,Relson's,Machados,or other instructors to train. Also several of his students have become wonderful instructors of there own. Who have also received there black belts from other Instructors... Pedro would also invite students from other instructors to class to train, and instructors to give us seminars. The same as someone who might learn from Keith Owen, Eddie Bravo, and Pedro. Or your son... As long as everybody knows its OK... I think you can learn something from everyone.... (I am always surprised from some of the things I learn in a simple roll with a blue belt or white belt).... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07594235913860875623noreply@blogger.com